TrinityCore#🧰・dev
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:30
TC is not sure yet whether they want to properly support Forever but you can definitely contribute to the packet parser with structure fixes and what not
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:30
(Or you bother @funjoker )
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:31
I'll do that, hopefully TC wants to support it in the future. Lots of old salts coming back to the game, many reversers from the old days in my discord have been getting excited.
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:31
I hope at least that your stuff isn't slop powered without knowledge
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:32
Well we all must use ai these days. But at least we had to do it the manual way in successful careers before 🙂
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:33
Yeah no not like you just blindly apply what AI does 😂 Without actually researching or knowing what it does hahahahah
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:33
I want to hate it, but with the stuff the public hasnt seen yet, I've gone to embrace our new overlords territory 😮
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:34
I mean I use AI myself, but most people just blindly do shit
Oct 13, 2026 · 18:34
I've been applying some closed loop testing and some H100 at this project. Results have been interesting 😉
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:03
#🏍・custom is the place in this discord for that
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:04
Good to know
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:06
Or at least for any TC fork. Maybe this channel is fine for any Forever related development in case there will be a TC official branch
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:09
screw that, i am not going to let ai take away my hobby that is writing code, keep that shit for your employer
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:09
Thats a fair view and one I've had before
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:09
I hope that will never happen (unless a specific person maintains it). But do not expect a launcher update for it 😂
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:10
i have a launcher for it
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:10
Inb4 Microsoft replaces VS with AI 😄
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:11
and just finished with the new REST store
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:11
Jetbrains going stonks
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:11
“New REST store”??
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:11
one that will stop working in future (they are probably on it). It is a little oversight with the current way they handle the key atm
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:12
https://www.jetbrains.com/ai-ides/buy/?section=personal&billing=yearly yeah I can see that
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:12
Do you mean the fucking bpay store?
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:12
they can fix it all they want
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:12
How is that needed for Forever
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:12
Also got w3 working for installing server addons on the client along with everything els ethey spy on. naughty boys
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:12 (edited)
to me it seems the ai sloppers are doing everything they can to draw blizz attention to shut them down (in forever)
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Oct 13, 2026 · 19:13
:What: What even are you talking about
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:13
They all deserve to be killed project wise. Especially those 99% who do not know how to work on those things without AI and thinking what they made is cool.
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Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
Warden grabs a ton of personal info
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
Yes..? Like it should..? :face_palm:
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
I-
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
Bruh
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
I thought for a second you were a smart one
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
Well now we can use it if you want
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:14
It seems you are not
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:15
not the info part, but the access to do things useful for private servers
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:16
If you knew what warden is capable of... 😄
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:16
😉
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:16
What do you want to know
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:16
I know everything. you and your Ai not
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:17
Sounds good
Oct 13, 2026 · 19:35
done
Oct 13, 2026 · 20:45
Wow forever has been super fun, its definitely bringing back my enjoyment in WoW tbh
Oct 13, 2026 · 20:45
Not what Shauren ment tbf
Oct 13, 2026 · 20:45
Im aware, it was just a general statement
Oct 13, 2026 · 20:46
Aaahh okay okay, mb
Oct 14, 2026 · 02:54
TC supporting forever would probably be the only way I'd get back into emu dev again lol, if ever decided
Oct 14, 2026 · 02:55 (edited)
Just have no interest in retail or the same old 3.3 anymore. I think a lot of people are similar
Oct 14, 2026 · 02:59
Tl;dr :kek:
Oct 14, 2026 · 02:59
Feel free to contribute :popcorn:
Oct 14, 2026 · 03:59
you can make a PR if you like
and yes AI is a tool, other place's embrace it, other place's hate on it. but the reality is its a super effective tool IMO.
Oct 14, 2026 · 04:02
I'd say we should wait until after launch hype. I've been playing the beta for a while now and I have mixed feelings about it all
Oct 14, 2026 · 04:22
I've been having a lot of fun simply playing around with the trinitycore codebase on master. Most of it around dev tooling. etc setting up cli tools for isolated/independent docker stacks (e.g. i have a "live" stack that I can connect my steam/proton client through standard ports, but all the dev "slices" use a slightly modified docker-compose yml that does not publish ports, and the shell script handles the ports - i also managed to get a graphical client to be launched containerized with the docker stack, as either a headless client driven by an llm for testing (or running predefined test steps) or make it graphical, output it to my wayland compositor and I can drive. It's more tooling than actual dev work, since I set up all of that so i can make testing easier to fix a small packet issue regarding lfg roles....
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Oct 14, 2026 · 04:49
TC is listed as „Educational“ project. Means learning is intended, AI is teaching you barely.
people act like they did it, but in reality it was done by AI.
Suddenly so many leechers and fame hunters appear out of thin air, tho we are looking for a decade and longer for real active contributors and team members.
Oct 14, 2026 · 05:04
That's nothing new, plenty of people copypasted code from Stack Overflow or applied random patches from the Internet. Now you instead apply random patches from AI
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Oct 14, 2026 · 06:07
Apparently Max and Fabian are fans of copypasting random code from stack overflow :kek:
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:09
From StackOverflow you at least learned something 🙂 You cannot compare SO against AI lol
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:18
AI that's fed from Stack Overflo
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:18
:kek:
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:18
You simply do not understand that those things are totally different and have different effects regarding a learning effect. We are doomed because people do not understand
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:18 (edited)
Is what you guys currently do with relying fully on it and not seeing and understanding such differences.
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:28
I take it you didn't do PR reviews on the past 15 years, because that's exactly what many authors did: random changes they couldn't explain
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:29
You might have pink glasses on the knowledge level of the average WoW emu contributor
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:29
(Plenty of PRs didn't even compile or crashed right away at the first try, way before AI existed)
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:30
Yes and we could easily disect those PRs and simply close and ignore them
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:31
Now it’s harder to see because it actually “works” but the author got no fucken’ clue what he’s doing
Oct 14, 2026 · 06:41 (edited)
That got nothing to do with those things. This is simply about real common sense and logic regarding the differences. You are already brain washed by all of this like many other people. The brain has to work so much more when working with the old stackoverflow 'style' already
Oct 14, 2026 · 07:20
trying to tell corporate people about learning theory is pointless. they only see short term effects
Oct 14, 2026 · 07:56
in production code which only needs to work is always different
Oct 14, 2026 · 07:59 (edited)
that is only because people handling those are thinking dumb
Oct 14, 2026 · 08:00
Yeah that's fair. I do think it'll be good and it's definitely bringing back a lot of interest in WoW in general from people. Lots of friends and coworkers going to be playing that either never played WoW before or haven't in many, many years
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Oct 14, 2026 · 08:55
I'm open with everything I do, I do know the basics and some and I'm 45 been coding since i was 14 not in one field but across many my IRL work is web development(mostly backend) I can see what the AI is doing and understand it, if I don't ill ask it why and go from there. I don't know any leecher and fame hunters myself. Except maybe those not open source. I could care less when everything im doing is open source if something is not working and I make it work that's a win in my book.
You guys maybe have been looking for decade or more, I was hoping to help contribute and devote time i have spare to the cause but most of you just been hating on people for using AI and other things (IMO that's how i see it). I am still going to share my stuff opensource and hide things I've been ask to hide like my yimir tool or my own sniffer.
but its up to you guys other project have embraced it and your guys are in control of what goes in and out so if the code does not look good, don't accept it
Anyway my hand is up hoping you accept the help if you want it.
Oct 14, 2026 · 09:11
My family is gonna play xD we are 10 people :kek:
Oct 14, 2026 · 09:18 (edited)
hopefull ythey are all dwarfs
Oct 14, 2026 · 09:24
Let’s pick that up. We heavy rely on sniffs for content and fixing basic things like effects, because these are the only hints we have what’s going on serversidely. The sniffer is closed source because there are many people wanting to abuse it for bots. The moment it’s used for bots, blizzard will hunt all sniffers down. That’s why we don’t want any sniffer tool to be open source at all. I also know people can RE the sniffer etc. but at least it’s a bottleneck for some botters.
Statistic: we avg get 1 sniff per month sent to us (non internal). Sadge
We do not hate AI. But we do not embrace it either. Learning effect comes from solving a problem by brain. Trying, repeating and improving. I don’t see this effect when using AI.
But AI often does unsafe stuff.
People do not review the generated code enough.
I personally enjoy when I finished something myself and it looks good and works. If I use AI and slap it on, I don’t feel satisfied.
AI should be a help and no replacement. The AI is only capable of doing what it does, because people like Shauren did all the ground work -> No Shauren = AI dumb
So I understand his point of not wanting AI have a huge impact on TC (yet)
Oct 14, 2026 · 09:26
PS: contributions please via PRs :beenie:
Oct 14, 2026 · 10:22
I will upload all my sniffs when i get home
Oct 14, 2026 · 10:23
And those a fair opinions can respect that
Oct 14, 2026 · 10:33
where exactly do i upload them btw
Oct 14, 2026 · 10:40
bunch of forever sniffs for you
hope it helps its been helping me i know that much
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Oct 15, 2026 · 08:08
You want to support the emulation development?
Upload your sniffs to tc devs via:
https://upload.trinitycore.info/
Oct 15, 2026 · 12:57
Does anyone still have a retail legion 7.x sniff? Specifically SMSG_GARRISON_COMPLETE_MISSION_RESULT?
Oct 15, 2026 · 13:01
Ancient as hell
Oct 15, 2026 · 13:01
Gahlee
Oct 15, 2026 · 13:06
I know its a long shot
Oct 16, 2026 · 02:29
ymir isn't ready for 12.1.5 right
Oct 16, 2026 · 15:12
i'm like an eager, obedient dog. Ready to sniff for master
Oct 16, 2026 · 18:12 (edited)
Any pointers on breaking up/labeling the sniffs so they're coherent? Behaviors one should perform in-game to ensure they're complete, etc.? I imagine it's self-explanatory (you want to click on every NPC with gossip, trainers, vendors, etc.) but curious if there's anything in particular to prioritize.
Oct 16, 2026 · 18:13
Pretty sure you upload a zip no? Maybe you can include a txt of what is in the sniff
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Oct 16, 2026 · 19:38
For specific, scripted things, I record video while I'm playing. Look for timestamps or a bit of dialogue at the start & end, and then figure out which packets are involved.
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Oct 16, 2026 · 19:49
i did tell you before
Oct 16, 2026 · 19:49
oh.. yes
Oct 16, 2026 · 19:49
sry
Oct 16, 2026 · 21:55
^ Warden or sniffer. Call it. 🪙
Oct 16, 2026 · 23:27
ok this was my first time running classic era and grabbing pkts thought i would send them though wpp like my other ones i choose 20 for classic but alli get is a blank txt, did i choose the wrong one?
Oct 16, 2026 · 23:48
classic era? 1.15.9? WPP doesn't support parsing it